Jefferson Drexler (Real Stuff My Dad Says) moderates a discussion between Joel Fieri (The Big Picture Podcast) and Suzanne Lederer (Experience God) regarding what Joel deems as an overemphasis on passion within today’s Church and what Suzanne considers a lack of emotional connection to God in relationship to either blind obedience or as Suzanne puts it, “Doing something because I want to, not simply because I’m told to.”